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Post by spikeyred on Nov 16, 2007 14:47:25 GMT 10
to me it seems its directly related to australian working class struggle and not world-wide Class struggle (despite the fact that 20 nationalities swore an oath on it) ... Australian Working class struggle? as opposed to international working class struggle? I find it really odd to differentiate between the two... The Proletariat has no country. Working Class struggle is just that, no matter where it occurs. I mean really, that's like saying the Russian Revolution was Russian Working Class struggle, and therefore isn't really of consequence to us, because it's not Australian and or International working class struggle. I think putting a nationality on class struggle is a false and dubious thing to do, and I think it's exactly what the Bourgeoisie want us to do so that we divide ourselves! I mean really, to try and present Eureka as a working class struggle for national independence from both the British Bourgeoisie and the British Proletariat? Come on! Thats just being as bad as our enemies!
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Post by agentsaboteur on Nov 16, 2007 20:11:13 GMT 10
that wasnt exactly what i ment, i could have articulated that better. basically i was reffering to the fact that the historical references to the eureka flag would for the most part be only known to Australians. Outside of australia, the history behind the eureka flag is unknown to many of those involved in working class struggle. i wasnt differentiating between the two, merely stating that its not know to many of those that fight along side us internationally, hence the differing opinons and indecisiveness on this issue especially in this thread. The fact of the matter is specifically related to the flag itself and what it symbolises and that the government has introduced legislation to prevent builders (who may or may not know about the historical background of the flag itself) flying the flag on there sites. its not as if the government has outlawed it all together and in the long run i dont see arguing over it being progressive at all. flying a flag on the side of a building isnt exactly going to bring about a worker revolution.
anyway thats just my opinon, im not stating that its the most educated. its just whats going through my head.
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Post by thingstocome on Nov 16, 2007 21:28:44 GMT 10
A flag is a piece of cloth. What it represents can indeed vary among groups and in the minds of the population. So for a Government to ban a specific flag's presence in a specific location for specific people is prejudicial and anti-democratic. Two words I'm sure they wouldn't appreciate hearing.
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Post by spikeyred on Nov 17, 2007 12:56:59 GMT 10
Yeah ok AS, I take that point, thats fair enough. I apologise for getting a bit high-horsed there.
I think your probably right about this debate coming to the limit of it's usefulness, theres probably no other earth shattering points that anyone can make.
Your absolutely right TTC, it is anti-democratic, prejudicial, discriminatory etc, and thats the point of the rally this friday :-) Are you going to come? Details are in the events forum.
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Post by LiteraryPiano on Nov 17, 2007 22:35:57 GMT 10
And also on the alarm blog.
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