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Post by agentsaboteur on Oct 29, 2007 22:35:05 GMT 10
im confused. how is it this thread has so many views when theres roughly thirty people on this forum? granted that guests view the forum too but 90 views by guests? wow
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Post by molotovhearts on Oct 30, 2007 0:21:18 GMT 10
it counts a view for everytime it gets opened/refreshed
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Post by LiteraryPiano on Oct 30, 2007 19:21:09 GMT 10
Yes...hilarious...
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Post by molotovhearts on Oct 30, 2007 20:31:41 GMT 10
YEAH! it is funny! funny on two counts:
1) they're the "conservative" party but they're called liberal
2) liberals are funny
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Post by LiteraryPiano on Oct 30, 2007 21:15:58 GMT 10
YEAH! it is funny! funny on two counts: 1) they're the "conservative" party but they're called liberal 2) liberals are funny It's not funny!
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Post by agentsaboteur on Oct 31, 2007 9:31:03 GMT 10
YEAH! it is funny! funny on two counts: 1) they're the "conservative" party but they're called liberal 2) liberals are funny It's not funny! well peter costello looks pretty funny with that massive chin and stupid grin
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Post by LiteraryPiano on Oct 31, 2007 9:35:21 GMT 10
well peter costello looks pretty funny with that massive chin and stupid grin touche'
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Post by wolfetone on Oct 31, 2007 20:52:32 GMT 10
vote for the greens. lets legalise marijuana
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Post by killabee on Nov 1, 2007 22:14:45 GMT 10
YEAH! it is funny! funny on two counts: 1) they're the "conservative" party but they're called liberal 2) liberals are funny It's not funny! its kinda funny and as for not enrolling my dad never did and hes like 50 something
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Post by blackpurpleredpink on Nov 14, 2007 0:28:00 GMT 10
Hi chris Hi everyone i am new to Anarchism and wondering as an Anarchist how should i vote? That's really up to... but i wouldn't be concerned too much about it - 'your' vote will have little to no effect on the election outcome. However, it is worth nothing that in australia, beceause there is not a proportional representation system (see: aotearoa for example)- votes for minor parties are essentially worthless--- the electoral system as it exists here is basically rigged to maintain a balance of power between the two major parties. Unlike some liberal democracies, australia is really only a two party system (though one of those parties is technically a coalition [or alliance] of two - the liberal and national party = the coalition, they agree to run together otherwise neither would have a strong chance of winning control of parliament, and thus the state)... we have a ruling party.... and their official opposition. It is the same on state level. What this means is that a 'protest' vote (that is expressing your distaste for politics by voting for the most far-left party on the ballot) makes little to no difference to either the election result or the make-up of either of the two houses of parliament... because unless the tiny party you've voted for actually wins a specific seat (say Bennelong, John Howards seat) all votes cast for them become worthless... like you never voted for them at all. Where as in contrast, some democracies (again, aotearoa is a good example), which operate under proportional representation - a party needs only to receive a certain level of votes to be assigned places in parliament. So seats are allocated on the basis of how many votes they receive, not how many electorates they've won. This make it much easier for smaller parties to win places in parliament; as although they might struggle to defeat the major parties head-to-head - they may still receive enough total votes to effect the balance of power in the senate or what have you. So in places like aotearoa the governments are rarely ruled by a single party, but rather a coalition of a major party plus a handful of smaller parties. But yeah, australia has no such system So i guess, if you actually feel like casting a valid vote... i would suggest voting for a party like the greens? As the greens are as leftwing as bourgeois politics get ('green capitalists'?) and in the coming election stand to win at least a handful of seats. Like i said, it's really up to you. Sometimes i donkey vote (hand in an invalid ballot), sometimes i vote for the greens (not because i actually like them but for the reasons i outlined above) but really, it doesn't matter. At the end of the day voting, elections - they exist so people feel, if only for a brief moment - that they have some say, some minute influence over how their lives are run. As long as you vote with the understanding that no meaningful change is going to come of it, vote for whomever you wish - or not at all. You'll only be fined if you're registered and don't turn up. To avoid a fine all you have to do is get your name ticked off at your local polling booth, receive your ballot paper and chuck it in the box. You don't even have to right on it if you don't want to - it's all just mindless bureaucracy - they just want to see a tick next to your name, that's all the electoral office care about. No tick = fine.
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Post by thingstocome on Nov 15, 2007 16:59:32 GMT 10
Check out the Liberty and Democracy Party: ldp.org.auI might not vote for them, but they are worth a look - I think they call themselves "Libertarians" but whatever. I don't agree with their methods really. I thought pretty seriously about helping them, but anarchy and my own ideology beckons louder than some party who want to get elected to reduce their own power. Good luck to them though. Maybe a seat in the senate? And yeah Preferential does distribute minor party votes to the major ones... (In BOTH houes of parliament) So the House of Reps redistributes them pretty much automatically because no one wins on first round usually. And even if you number every box on the Senate Ballot, you might still have your vote redistributed (although it's less likely because the Senate uses proportional quotas). Otherwise I might vote for an independent. If there's no independent I'll write "Independent" on it. Or the anarchy symbol.
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Post by spikeyred on Nov 15, 2007 20:59:56 GMT 10
If you number alot of boxes on a Senate vote, as far as I know, you don't have to number them all, there is a minimum ammount, and I think therefore you can make sure your preference doesn't flow to ALP or Libs.
House of reps is a different story though...
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Post by LiteraryPiano on Nov 15, 2007 21:41:39 GMT 10
The people behind the Liberty and Democracy party are a bunch of twats. Honestly, they're just like Ron Paul. One of them came onto a discussion board I was using (myspace...haha) and was just basically spouting free-market-capitalist crap. Essentially, what they're advocating will not be any better, if not worse than what exists now.
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Post by Mroh. on Nov 24, 2007 21:45:05 GMT 10
YEAH! it is funny! funny on two counts: 1) they're the "conservative" party but they're called liberal 2) liberals are funny It's not funny! Oh right, and the "irony party" was pure wit!
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Post by Mroh. on Nov 24, 2007 21:50:57 GMT 10
Generally most anarchists don't vote because they don't like the thought of helping any party gain power to any degree. However, despite me also planning on taking that stance, I can understand if some anarchists felt they needed to choose the 'lesser of two evils' in an election, with atleast the intention of adding counter-weight to something truly undesirable.
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